Paul asks some questions about controlling Brazilian Pepper and growing some food:
I have (multiple acres) in Mims. It is mostly pine forest, with lots of saw palmetto. It is also overrun with brazilian pepper.
I would like to get a handle on the Brazilian pepper without bulldozing the entire lot. I also am raising a few chickens on the property. Could you give me some ideas on controlling the plants I don’t want, and suggestions on a boarder plant/privacy shrub? I have your books on Florida food forests and the Florida gardening book.
Some of the things I would like to grow are pecans, peaches, bananas, muscadines, to name a few. I don’t know anything about gardening, so anything low maintenance would be great. Also, there is an abundance of shade, so I don’t know if I need to remove some pine trees or work with what I have.
Good questions. Some areas are better for gardening than others – and the pine scrub is not an easy place to grow.
That doesn’t mean there isn’t anything that will grow. Pawpaws, hawthorns and blueberries do well in North Florida scrub, and there are certainly some wild edible species that would do well in Mims, though I’d have to spend some time looking around in the brush to figure out what does.
Let’s attack these questions one at a time.
1. Dealing with Brazilian Pepper
My general approach to fast-growing trees like Brazilian pepper is to use them as a chop-and-drop plant, cutting them down over and over again and using the leaves and trunks as mulch.
However, Brazilian pepper may contain growth inhibitors, so using it that way might have drawbacks.
The University of Florida recommends cutting the tree down and immediately painting herbicide onto their stumps:
“Brazilian pepper-trees can be controlled by cutting them down and treating the stumps with herbicide. A saw should be used to cut the trunk as close to the ground as possible. Within 5 minutes, an herbicide that contains the active ingredient glyphosate or triclopyr should be applied as carefully as possible to the thin layer of living tissue, called the cambium, which is just inside the bark of the stump.
The best time to cut Brazilian pepper-trees is when they are not fruiting because seeds contained in the fruits have the capability of producing new Brazilian pepper-trees. If Brazilian pepper-trees that have fruits attached are cut, care should be taken not to spread the fruits to locations where they can cause future problems.”
If I had a bunch of them, I would be tempted by weedkiller. They are nasty and very invasive. Normally, I would try burning them – but the smoke can be toxic, as is the entire tree. Some people working with Brazilian pepper have ended up in the hospital after exposure to the sap. Others suffer rashes and itching. The smoke can really mess up your lungs as well.
It has been reported that you can cut down the trees and cover the stumps with pieces of metal or carpet to cut out the light, then eventually the tree will die. I managed to kill one once by cutting it back to a stump, drilling big holes in the stump and packing them with salt, then covering the entire thing with aluminum foil so the water couldn’t wash the salt out.
Glysophate is easier, and though I don’t normally recommend it, I’d just cut them down and paint the stumps with the stuff.
2. A Border Privacy Shrub
In Mims – provided you’re close to the ocean and it’s not too cold – I would plant cocoplum. It’s beautiful and edible. Another option is the edible and beautiful natal plum. As Green Deane writes:
“Natal Plum copes well with salty winds, making it a good choice for coastal areas. It grows in mounds two to seven high and as wide. It’s tolerant of various lighting conditions and is a popular landscaping plant. Because of its double spines —a good identification characteristic —it makes a popular security hedge.”
If I lived a little more inland where it freezes, I’d plant a cattley guava, silverthorn or feijoa.
The cattley guava grows in tropical locations but also takes temperatures down into the 20s:
There are quite a few good options that double as food.
3. Other Gardening Ideas
I wrote a post on gardening in Vero Beach which is quite applicable to your area as well.
Claim back your yard from the Brazilian peppers, then start seeing what does well. A lot of the options in Totally Crazy Easy Florida Gardening should work well for you. The biggest problem with your area is the soil. It’s tough to grow on that acid, fast-draining sand. Use a lot of mulch, start foliar feeding (foliar feeding works really well when the sand doesn’t hold much nutrition) and get some irrigation going. And compost everything.
Thanks for writing – and good luck.
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Mims is probably too far north for cocoplum. Figs can do well if you enrich the soil and reduce the nematode population via cover crops like mustard or marigold. Mulberries will can do well.
Brazilian pepper – cut it back to the ground, then have the stump ground up, several inches down into the soil. That works.
I live in Mims too! All my guava’s died this winter, it got cold here. I do know of a Cattley that survived just fine. I’ve rethought my choices for plants and trees around my house, can’t really do the tropicals my friends on the beaches can. I just planted Muscadines on trellises, I have a ton of wild ones so, they should do fine.
Crazy seeing fellow Mimsians – is that what we are? Anyway, I’ve got an herb garden going, maybe 5 months old, and am starting my veg garden tomorrow. Very pine dominant, same as you. No Braz peppers though. Herbs have done well. Maybe 400 square foot garden, lots of different herbs, stuff like basil is going nuts. I’ve been getting the ‘fine’ chipped wood mulch at the mulching facility, and I’ve liked it. Just a few miles south at my last house in Titusville I had lots of bananas, grapes, blueberries, veggies. Most everything did pretty well. Moved here to Mims to a few acres so we could go large, and am just now getting things started.
Cool Shaun! I have the Asplund guys drop mulch off at my place every once in a while. I still have a pile I’m using up gradually. I’d love to see your garden, it sounds great! You’re more than welcome to come see mine too. I’m just off 46 east of 95. I have a few things I could trade or give a fellow gardener, and I know a couple other guys around here that enjoy it too. Let me know.
Oh yeah, I forgot. I was born here, we’re called Mims-billies! lol
So Scott, are you happy with what the Asplundh guys drop off? I’ve thought about asking them to do the same here. I’m west of I-95, on the south end of Turpentine Rd. The ‘fine’ stuff at the mulch facility is REALLY fine. When the loader scoops it up there is a big cloud of steam released, and when they dump it in the truck it is hot to the touch. But it is a pain driving down there to get it. Yeah, I’ve got tons of wild grape vines here, so I plan on clearing them out and putting in some stuff I like. David mentioned weed killer, and I do have a target for that stuff here – I’ve got a little poison ivy here and there. I don’t mind spraying that. Otherwise I working with mulch, good hand tools like stirrup hoes, and a flame weeder. Yeah, I’d love to see what you’ve got growing, you’ve got to be further along than me.
The mulch is probably more chunky, it depends on how sharp their blades are that day. The guy told me they change those pretty often, but they do chop up a lot of trees all day. You do get a mix of finely chopped and palm fronds that are more shredded. I think it works great though, I’ve had no issues. You are right down the road for sure. I’ve been at it only a couple of years, I had a lot of trees that went down in the last few storms that opened up my property for growing and planting, I’m going to be here a while anyhow so I’ve been trying. I’m back in Spruce Hills, we’ll connect soon.
goats eat pepper trees. they love them. I will turn goats in on the peppers they will clean the peppers out as high as they can reach, this will let me get to the main trunk so that i can cut it with my chain saw .i cut it about 2 to 3 feet high, the goats will then eat the leaves small twigs and seed .then they will keep the stumps striped until they die. i am in cocoa with about 120 acres. mims is a little colder then us cocoplum dose not do well here too cold but i have had some luck with cevarena boxaforaii that has simuler fruit blue berrys should do OK if ph is a little low tipacel in pine woods. moringa is wort trying even though it will freeze back
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